Mind boggling sentence of the day
Apr. 12th, 2007 08:14 pm“Now, I would hope that even those of us already too familiar with such erotic images from our reading of later-mediaeval mystical treatises (not to mention Rupert’s own visionary experiences†) might still find this image – of the Son arranging for his marriage to his mother in her womb – at the very least momentarily shocking, if not (as Philip seems to have intended it to be), simultaneously titillating, provocative, and yet somehow faintly repulsive (much like the Incarnation itself)"
Fulton, Rachel. 2002. From Judgement to Passion: Devotion to the Virgin Mary 800-1200. New York: Columbia University Press.
I mean... just... WHAT? Particularly the last bracketed comment. Provocative I might be persuaded to buy, but... the Incarnation of Christ? Titillating?
I wish I did have a beer.
† Rupert of Deutz. I think she means the one where he snogs the crucified Christ, but I'm not totally sure.
Also, my hot water is orange again. It looks pretty disgusting, and it's murder on the towels (anyone know how to get rust stains out? At least, I assume it's rust...
Fulton, Rachel. 2002. From Judgement to Passion: Devotion to the Virgin Mary 800-1200. New York: Columbia University Press.
I mean... just... WHAT? Particularly the last bracketed comment. Provocative I might be persuaded to buy, but... the Incarnation of Christ? Titillating?
I wish I did have a beer.
† Rupert of Deutz. I think she means the one where he snogs the crucified Christ, but I'm not totally sure.
Also, my hot water is orange again. It looks pretty disgusting, and it's murder on the towels (anyone know how to get rust stains out? At least, I assume it's rust...
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Date: 2007-04-12 07:57 pm (UTC)I'm afraid my first thought was of Rupert the bear ...
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Date: 2007-04-12 08:00 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-04-12 08:11 pm (UTC)In penance, I searched on rust stains and found this link for you.
http://www.wisegeek.com/how-can-i-remove-rust-stains-from-my-clothes.htm
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Date: 2007-04-13 12:24 am (UTC)Re: rust stains - bleach is about it. Rust is a natural mordant and the "stains" are what used to be called iron buff....
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Date: 2007-04-13 09:04 am (UTC)My hot water is bright blue. What on earth does the water company put in it?
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Date: 2007-04-13 09:26 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-04-13 10:18 am (UTC)Thanks for the rust tips. I might try the rhubarb water one!
† I am assured that there is m/m bible slash in abundance at the Pit of Voles (though probaly really mostly 'Jesus Christ Superstar'), but I've never dared read any of them. It seems there is nothing someone, somewhere hasn't tried to slash. I bet there's even Koran slash out there somewhere....
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Date: 2007-04-13 10:21 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-04-13 10:24 am (UTC)Bright blue water is even more odd than orange (which is just rusty pipes). Vague memories of chemistry make me suspect yours has got copper sulphate in it... If it's in the hot water and not the cold, it's presumably a problem with your flat's bolier/ hot water pipes, though
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Date: 2007-04-13 10:48 am (UTC)When I was a child, a bathful of water was yellow (oh, and how funny were the jokes...) being stained by peat.
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Date: 2007-04-13 10:51 am (UTC)EU directives? This may be cheating, given that they don't have characters. Therefore I will also offer The Diary of Anne Frank.
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Date: 2007-04-13 11:00 am (UTC)ff.net in becoming more tasteful shock
Date: 2007-04-13 02:36 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-04-13 02:54 pm (UTC)It depends what exactly Rachel Fulton means by the Incarnation, I suppose. There is something arousing and / or erotic about the idea of God being made flesh, I think (I say this as a non-believer). I can't quite pinpoint it, but I suppose it has something to do with the idea that divine love for humans has an erotic element, and the pathos of God becoming flesh, subject to its own desires and weaknesses. "Titillating" is a very trivial sort of word to use, though.
If she's talking about the actual physical process of conception and birth, though, I'm baffled.
The Cherry Tree Carol is sort of folk version of what this mystic chap was on about, isn't it?
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Date: 2007-04-13 03:23 pm (UTC)I think a better analogue for Philip (the mystic chap) would be the mediaeval carol 'I sing of a maiden' - a very beautiful and exrtemely clever little poem:
I sing of a maiden
That is makeles;
King of all kings
To her son she ches.
He came al so still
There his mother was,
As dew in April
That falleth on the grass.
He came al so still
To his mother’s bour,
As dew in April
That falleth on the flour.
He came al so still
There his mother lay,
As dew in April
That falleth on the spray.
Mother and maiden
Was never none but she;
Well may such a lady
Goddes mother be.
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Date: 2007-04-13 03:42 pm (UTC)He came al so still
To his mother’s bour,
That's it, see: not "titillating" (awful sea-side postcard connotations) but sexual nonetheless.
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Date: 2007-04-13 10:21 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2007-04-13 10:24 pm (UTC)†At least, if you men the ones that have the Father and the Spirit inside them, as well as the Son.
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Date: 2007-04-13 10:26 pm (UTC)I have, God help me, read 'Left Behind' slash. It was really bad, but still 100% more artistically. theologically and indeed morally acceptable than the source text...
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Date: 2007-04-13 10:33 pm (UTC)Although, frankly, I don't think it needs music. It's complete in itself. (The mediaeval macaronic Marian thing Britten set is a much slighter poem, but possibly works better as a choral piece for that reason.
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Date: 2007-04-13 10:36 pm (UTC)At least peaty water is good for whisky!
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Date: 2007-04-13 10:44 pm (UTC)That is one of the most brilliant things I've ever heard of. WOW!
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Date: 2007-04-14 10:48 am (UTC)*shakes head in wonderment*
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Date: 2007-04-14 10:50 am (UTC)I don't think I know it...
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Date: 2007-04-14 10:59 am (UTC)Velut maris stella,
Brighter than the day is light,
Parens et puella:
I cry to thee, thou see to me,
Lady, pray thy Son for me,
Tam pia,
That I may come to thee.
Maria!
All this world was forlorn
Eva peccatrice,
Till our Lord was y-born
De te genetrice.
With ave it went away
Darkest night, and comes the day
Salutis;
The well springeth out of thee.
Virtutis.
Lady, flow'r of ev'ry thing,
Rosa sine spina,
Thou bare Jesu, Heaven's King,
Gratia divina:
Of all thou bear'st the prize,
Lady, queen of paradise
Electa:
Maid mild, mother es
Effecta.
For two choruses, one singing the English and one the Latin. B.B.'s setting's excellent.
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Date: 2007-04-14 11:32 am (UTC)*nods* The abbreviation V.O. makes them sound very sinister, somehow, too.
I associate them with head reliquaries, one of which seems to have played a part in the downfall of the Templars, because there is a picture of both on the same page (? nearby, anyway) of Michael Camille's The Gothic Idol, which I spent hours with as an undergraduate.
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Date: 2007-04-16 03:06 pm (UTC)To be fair, most of the Marquis de Sade's literary output is probably more "artistically. theologically and indeed morally acceptable" than the Left Behind series, if only on the basis that at least it isn't pretending to be nice...