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“Now, I would hope that even those of us already too familiar with such erotic images from our reading of later-mediaeval mystical treatises (not to mention Rupert’s own visionary experiences†) might still find this image – of the Son arranging for his marriage to his mother in her womb – at the very least momentarily shocking, if not (as Philip seems to have intended it to be), simultaneously titillating, provocative, and yet somehow faintly repulsive (much like the Incarnation itself)"

Fulton, Rachel. 2002. From Judgement to Passion: Devotion to the Virgin Mary 800-1200. New York: Columbia University Press.

I mean... just... WHAT? Particularly the last bracketed comment. Provocative I might be persuaded to buy, but... the Incarnation of Christ? Titillating?

I wish I did have a beer.

† Rupert of Deutz. I think she means the one where he snogs the crucified Christ, but I'm not totally sure.

Also, my hot water is orange again. It looks pretty disgusting, and it's murder on the towels (anyone know how to get rust stains out? At least, I assume it's rust...

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Date: 2007-04-12 07:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wellinghall.livejournal.com
Rupert of Deutz

I'm afraid my first thought was of Rupert the bear ...

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Date: 2007-04-12 08:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rustica.livejournal.com
I'm sorry, I know I shouldn't laugh but.... No. Definitely not titillating. And m/m bible slash? Please tell me there were no tongues...

In penance, I searched on rust stains and found this link for you.
http://www.wisegeek.com/how-can-i-remove-rust-stains-from-my-clothes.htm

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Date: 2007-04-13 12:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ellid.livejournal.com
Re: quote - EWWWWWW!!!!!!! Makes those Virgins Ouevriantes look positively normal

Re: rust stains - bleach is about it. Rust is a natural mordant and the "stains" are what used to be called iron buff....

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Date: 2007-04-13 09:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
See Cornell University's comprehensive stain removal guide. http://www.human.cornell.edu/TXA/Outreach/upload/removingstains.pdf Warning: some of the solutions may also remove skin.

My hot water is bright blue. What on earth does the water company put in it?

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Date: 2007-04-13 09:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wellinghall.livejournal.com
The hot water in Iceland was suplhuric - not wholly unreasonable, I suppose, given where they got it from!

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Date: 2007-04-13 10:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
It could be the cold as well - "bright" was possibly an exaggeration, being short for "a bathful of it has a more than usual blue tinge". I shall now have to run a couple of inches of each separately to compare!

When I was a child, a bathful of water was yellow (oh, and how funny were the jokes...) being stained by peat.

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Date: 2007-04-13 10:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
It seems there is nothing someone, somewhere hasn't tried to slash.
EU directives? This may be cheating, given that they don't have characters. Therefore I will also offer The Diary of Anne Frank.

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Date: 2007-04-13 11:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rustica.livejournal.com
Yes - I've heard rumours about bible slash too. Not touching that with a 100 ft barge pole!

ff.net in becoming more tasteful shock

Date: 2007-04-13 02:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lilliburlero.livejournal.com
Just a quick look in the Pit of Voles returns 22 hits (mostly, it has to be said, "poems what I wrote after reading this book at school", and no actual slash, as far as I could see). According to a New York times article I turned up by typing the highly ill-advised words "anne frank slash" into Google (clear that cache!) there were 42 pieces of Anne Frank fan fiction at ff.net in 2004. So it seems things have actually improved.

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Date: 2007-04-13 02:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lilliburlero.livejournal.com
I'm very fond of a nice vierge ouvriante (sp?). When I was at college I tried to make one with a sheela-na-gig inside, but it fell foul of my frankly cackhanded way with papier mache.

It depends what exactly Rachel Fulton means by the Incarnation, I suppose. There is something arousing and / or erotic about the idea of God being made flesh, I think (I say this as a non-believer). I can't quite pinpoint it, but I suppose it has something to do with the idea that divine love for humans has an erotic element, and the pathos of God becoming flesh, subject to its own desires and weaknesses. "Titillating" is a very trivial sort of word to use, though.
If she's talking about the actual physical process of conception and birth, though, I'm baffled.
The Cherry Tree Carol is sort of folk version of what this mystic chap was on about, isn't it?

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Date: 2007-04-13 03:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lilliburlero.livejournal.com
That poem's a great favourite of mine: I heard it very disappointingly set to music at a Christmas concert last year, and was dismayed all evening.

He came al so still
To his mother’s bour,

That's it, see: not "titillating" (awful sea-side postcard connotations) but sexual nonetheless.

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Date: 2007-04-13 10:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ellid.livejournal.com
When I was at college I tried to make one with a sheela-na-gig inside, but it fell foul of my frankly cackhanded way with papier mache.

That is one of the most brilliant things I've ever heard of. WOW!

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Date: 2007-04-14 10:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lilliburlero.livejournal.com
Ever tried to make hinges out of papier mache and twine?

*shakes head in wonderment*

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Date: 2007-04-14 10:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lilliburlero.livejournal.com
macaronic Marian thing

I don't think I know it...

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Date: 2007-04-14 11:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lilliburlero.livejournal.com
I have a suspicion the V.O.'s are heretical

*nods* The abbreviation V.O. makes them sound very sinister, somehow, too.
I associate them with head reliquaries, one of which seems to have played a part in the downfall of the Templars, because there is a picture of both on the same page (? nearby, anyway) of Michael Camille's The Gothic Idol, which I spent hours with as an undergraduate.

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Date: 2007-04-16 03:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nineveh-uk.livejournal.com
still 100% more artistically. theologically and indeed morally acceptable than the source text...

To be fair, most of the Marquis de Sade's literary output is probably more "artistically. theologically and indeed morally acceptable" than the Left Behind series, if only on the basis that at least it isn't pretending to be nice...

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