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Mar. 12th, 2012 10:21 am
tree_and_leaf: Peter Davison in Five's cricket gear, leaning on wall with nose in book, looking a bit like Peter Wimsey. (Books)
[personal profile] tree_and_leaf
That awkward - or, to be accurate, annoying - moment when you realise you've accidentally bought a human (I think; possibly she's part demon)/ angel romance.

Vampire romance is bad enough, but at least you can make that seem semi-plausible. Vampires may not reproduce sexually, but they inhabit bodies that used to be human, and also it makes sense for them to be attractive to humans, because being able to lure humans to their doom is necessary to their survival. Angels don't need to get humans to stick around to be eaten, and they're not actually corporeal, unless you believe Milton.

Indeed, angels as the Christian tradition describes them are not well suited to being protagonists of novels, even if you leave the romance out of it, because they are atemporal - there's a reason why the only author I can think of who more or less gets away with it is Milton, whose angels are not, strictly speaking, quite according to the tradition*. The book of Tobit has it both ways, by revealing at the end that Raphael was just simulating humanity for the purpose of helping Tobiah, which is unsatisfying from a literary point of view, but rescues the theology. Actually I think that if you want to write stories involving angels you can do it more easily in an SF context - Lewis makes a decent fist of it (there are things about the cosmic trilogy I find very problematic, but the Eldila are, I think, really quite good). Deep Space Nine's Prophets can just about be viewed as occupying more or less the same conceptual space and again, I think succeed pretty well. Like the Eldila, they're interesting because they're definitely not humans with wings pasted on, but a different kind of being altogether, and the writers are willing to try and face the challenge of writing about unincarnate, atemporal beings - even when we do get the big revelation about Sisko's origins, it's not the Tragic Doomed Angel-Human Romance, but something more unsettling and inhuman.

Of course, to be fair to the author of Daughter of Smoke and Bone, her angels are corporeal, mortal, and reproduce sexually (and have very messed up family structures). This makes a romance more plausible, I admit, though it does raise the very germane question, in what sense are these actually angels?**

You might, at this point, ask, "Why did you buy it?" The answer is (a) because I am a sucker for stories involving doors into other worlds***, and also because while I read the first chapter, I missed the one sentence prologue that would have told me what I was in for.

The sad part is that there are parts of the book I really like - the doors into other worlds are fun; her 'chimera'/ monsters (which turn out to be demons, alas) are quite charming and sinister at the same time, and I like the opening conceit of the heroine living a more or less normal art student existence, while also running dubious errands for the surprisingly likable monster who brought her up. There's also an interesting take on magic.

But I can't be bothered with angel romance; I'm not even sure if I want to finish reading it, although I rarely leave books unread, so I probably will. But unless I experience a sudden epiphanic change of heart, it will go straight to Oxfam.



* Though it's not as glaring a deviation as his Christology, which is flat-out heretical.

** They don't seem to be messengers of God, either, or at least the angelic hero hasn't got a scooby about what the purpose of his life is or why his people are locked in combat with 'the fallen'). Basically I think the problem is that the author wanted some way of doing paranormal Romeo and Juliet that didn't involve vampires vs werewolves, but really, angels?

*** CS LEWIS MADE ME DO IT!!!111!!!

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Date: 2012-03-12 11:35 am (UTC)
schemingreader: (Yellow Submarine Ringo)
From: [personal profile] schemingreader
Are these angels meant to be like the nephilim in Genesis 6?

(I was just thinking about those guys because my kid is reading books based on Greek mythology in which all the heroes are demigods.)

(I'm not planning to read this book, btw.)

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Date: 2012-03-12 02:09 pm (UTC)
dorothean: detail of painting of Gandalf, Frodo, and Gimli at the Gates of Moria, trying to figure out how to open them (Default)
From: [personal profile] dorothean
That might be a way to save it...

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Date: 2012-03-12 02:21 pm (UTC)
schemingreader: (Default)
From: [personal profile] schemingreader
I'm not invested in this book, but I am interested in the idea of monotheistic religions like Judaism and Christianity having these incongruous elements I associate with their polytheistic cultural roots. You can bet I didn't learn about the nephilim in religious school.

I had to google for Rashi's commentary because my books are buried right now--Rashi is not a fan of the nephilim. He follows other commentators who translate "benei elohim" as "sons of princes and judges." Goodness.

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Date: 2012-03-13 03:36 am (UTC)
cahn: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cahn
This reminds me of the nephilim and seraphim in L'Engle's Many Waters (taken, of course, from Genesis 6). I remember liking what she did with that.

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Date: 2012-03-12 11:43 am (UTC)
kerravonsen: Soolin with a half-smile: impress me (impress-me)
From: [personal profile] kerravonsen
I once started reading an angel/human romance (it was a P&P AU, which I why I gave it a look) and it was disgusting. Soft porn, cut-and-pasted names, it was awful.

So you might have gotten off lightly.

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Date: 2012-03-12 11:50 am (UTC)
ankaret: (Existential Threat)
From: [personal profile] ankaret
I'm really sorry, but I have to ask. Which one of them was the angel?

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Date: 2012-03-12 12:58 pm (UTC)
nineveh_uk: Illustration that looks like Harriet Vane (Default)
From: [personal profile] nineveh_uk
Darcy of course. No, I haven't read it, but surely it has to be Darcy.

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Date: 2012-03-12 01:03 pm (UTC)
kerravonsen: Romana with hand on chin: *sigh* (sigh)
From: [personal profile] kerravonsen
No, it was Elizabeth. She was supposedly his "guardian angel". For some vague and un-theological meaning of the word "angel".

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Date: 2012-03-12 01:12 pm (UTC)
nineveh_uk: Illustration that looks like Harriet Vane (Harriet)
From: [personal profile] nineveh_uk
That's even wierder. I was just about coping with Darcy as mysterious aloof slightly snooty angel who has to be humanised, but Guardian Angel Elizabeth????

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Date: 2012-03-12 01:19 pm (UTC)
ankaret: Picture of woman with a cat (Default)
From: [personal profile] ankaret
Thank you!

I have to admit, I have trouble seeing Kitty and Lydia as holy messengers, but I suppose they're slightly more likely than Lady Catherine de Bourgh.

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Date: 2012-03-12 12:03 pm (UTC)
17catherines: Amor Vincit Omnia (Default)
From: [personal profile] 17catherines
Nephilim are quite popular in romances.

Also, I'm pretty sure this is the first time I've seen anyone critique a paranormal romance from a theological standpoint. This makes me all kinds of happy.

Much love,

Catherine

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Date: 2012-03-12 01:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sophia_gratia
Bless this post.

As for Milton's angels, with the exception of that one rebel guy, whatsisname, they're not good at being protagonists, either. Gabriel exists largely to screw up at his remarkably easy job. Uriel gets a good sweeping journey, but then disappears. Sweet Raphael, that sociable spirit, might be a good story-teller, but he's not exactly an action man. And Michael? An excellent and (if you ask me) far too patient teacher, but there's a reason no one (except, apparently, me) likes the last two books of Paradise Lost. (C. S. Lewis: 'an untransmuted lump of futurity.' The books where Michael does some nice lesson-planning and a good bit of complicated exegesis happens are not, by Lewis's standard, anything like 'epic' at all.)

As for corporeality, one of my favorite Miltonic moments is Raphael's description of angel-sex at the end of Book 8. Angel-sex: not corporeal. Yet he can still blush about it... Man, I really love Raphael.

And now you've got me thinking about DS9's prophets in terms of Fake Dennis. What a way to start my Monday.

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Date: 2012-03-12 01:24 pm (UTC)
sir_guinglain: (Troughton)
From: [personal profile] sir_guinglain
Me being me, your explanation of angels in Christianity and of Lewis's Eldila remind me of early Doctor Who fandom's interpretation of the Time Lords, pre-Deadly Assassin anyway.

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Date: 2012-03-12 02:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liadnan
I do rather rate RA MacAvoy's long ago trilogy, starring Raphael and set in the Renaissance. Not exactly a romance though. Long out of print sadly, MacAvoy has never really had the success she deserved. Took ages for me to track the last one down on Charing X Road
Ooh, actually looks as though the ebook revolution may do something for her: Damiano; Damiano's Lute; Raphael

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Date: 2012-03-12 02:22 pm (UTC)
coughingbear: im in ur shipz debauchin ur slothz (shipz)
From: [personal profile] coughingbear
Oh, are those the ones you lent me some while ago? I remember really liking them. Might just have to nip over to Amazon...

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Date: 2012-03-13 03:34 am (UTC)
cahn: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cahn
I LOVE these books! I didn't think anyone else had ever heard of them! (I agree; she deserved much more success than she has gotten.) And they're available on ebook, huh. Nice.

Of course, Raphael turned human before he had his romance, so that's not quite the same.

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Date: 2012-03-12 02:08 pm (UTC)
dorothean: detail of painting of Gandalf, Frodo, and Gimli at the Gates of Moria, trying to figure out how to open them (Default)
From: [personal profile] dorothean
I utterly concur with this post and have always been confused and appalled by pop culture depictions of anthropomorphized angels that are purportedly Christian in origin -- erotic or infantile or however they appear. Whom can we blame for these, anyway? Renaissance artists?

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