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• 22:12 Hurrah, internet at home fixed! Now I can listen to HMS Surprise, which has suddenly converted Mum to Patrick O'Brian. #
• 22:31 Grr, pt 1 has gone :( ... Mum did the same thing with LotR and the films. Then she read the books and complained about the changes #
• 22:38 Also, I am a bit in love with the voice of Radio 4! Jack Aubrey. Stephen's not bad, either, though not quite what I would have imagined. #
• 00:48 Incidentally: best line of the Lollard seminar - "Wyclife's theology - an accident waiting to happen." Must sleep now... #
• 00:57 New Brideshead film has odd attitude to women. Villain not so much God as BVM? Cf statue. Catholics bad (frigid) mothers bullying weak men. #
• 08:57 Why has the MCR acquired a competent but dull 'artistic' female nude? It looks odd among the bishops..... #
• 09:59 You know you've seen too much Doctor Who when you're scared by a poster for choral Eucharist (with photo of angel statue...) #
• 10:30 Though on the whole the photo of McCain chasing Obama with his tongue hanging out posted at Making Light is scarier. Seriously, wtf? #
• 10:54 Is it normal to be vaguely nauseated by the thought of rereading a draft chapter you wrote months ago? #
• 11:15 Today is commemoration of Oxford Martyrs, Ridley and Latimer. Can't find the 1066 quote about them testing a new candle in the martyrs' mem #
• 11:20 Always think of that when I see the MM. (Or 'Am I late for Mass?' Not sure what R&L would have liked less). Am warped Spike. Blame Oriel. #
• 14:04 Should one cite the Pope (in his capacity as a theologian) as Ratzinger J, or Benedict? #
• 14:35 Oh dear, it really shouldn't take several hours to print one lousy PDF. Why do these things always go wrong when you have a deadline? #
• 15:12 @GMWWemyss - from the fury of the Northmen (be they from Reykjavik or Kirkaldy), Good Lord defend us? #
• 15:36 Since yesterday's talk on Lollards, i have a terrible urge to make a Lolcat with a picture of the Host, captioned 'invisible substance'. #
• 16:07 'Cocorodrillen' for 'crocodiles' is the best spelling ever. #
• 16:21 @ParrotKnight Early nineties. My instinct would be to use Ratzinger except for encyclicals, but OLIS seems to prefer Benedict generally. #
• 17:06 @ParrotKnight Thanks! #
• 17:07 Yawn. Time to put away the German and go and check people know what to do with a thurible. #

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[parrot-knight.livejournal.com]

I'd not remarked on the BVM stuff in Brideshead, beyond that her adoration is presented as a shorthand for Catholicism - I don't remember it anywhere in the book.

[lareinenoire.livejournal.com]

Hmm...how is the new Brideshead? I've been meaning to watch it but haven't got round to it.

[fpb.livejournal.com]

About quoting the Pope: either J.Ratzinger or Pope Benedict XVI is correct. I would use the former for work written before his elevation, and the latter for his Jesus of Nazareth and his Papal speeches and documents.

[tree_and_leaf]

It's got some nice pictures of Oxford but otherwise the Granda TV series is better value...tendintious and over-abbreviated.

[tree_and_leaf]

Thanks; that was my impression.

[tree_and_leaf]

It probably is - in terms of intention - just shorthand for Catholicism, but it does lead to odd overtones. The statue in the film seems to substitute for the passgage where Cordelia laments the fact that the chapel is being closed andthey can no longer venerat the Blessed Sacrament.

[parrot-knight.livejournal.com]

I read somewhere that the Flyte family singing (I make them sound like the von Trapps) associates them with the campaign for the restoration of the Pope's temporal sovereignty, which might not have been appreciated by the production team. I came across an interview with Jeremy Brock somewhere, and he explained that the intention had been to replace Waugh's preoccupations with similar ones which the audience could understand - hence making Hooper a corporal was meant to show him representing 'the spirit of 1945' - a construct of part of today's romantic left as much as Hooper was a personification of Waugh's fears and hates, and more of a misrepresentation of the period.

[liadnan]

Not entirely sure re: Jesus of Nazareth actually, he's very clear in the intro that it is not an exercise of the magisterium. Ie to my m,ind it is a work of Ratzinger J, not of Pope Benedict.

[helflaed.livejournal.com]

"check people know what to do with a thurible"

Yes. Do check this. A thurible in inexperienced hands is not a pretty sight. Nor was an altar after my rather low church Grandpa attempted to cense it, whilst acting as a "locum" in a much higher parish. I was told that the noise was terrible to hear. Luckily nothing was broken and it was BEFORE the blessing of the bread and wine.

Incidentally, are you looking for the origin of the "Fury of the northmen" quote, as I think I might have it somewhere. Sadly it dates from the 20th century, which is a pity as it just sounds so good.

[lareinenoire.livejournal.com]

I remember being incredibly surprised that they were remaking it in the first place, when the TV series was just so very good. It's one I need to own, actually.

[tree_and_leaf]

I believe Play's got it on offer at the moment. I should order it, actually.

[tree_and_leaf]

Thuribles can indeed be deadly in the wrong hands, but it was all all right.

Nor was an altar after my rather low church Grandpa attempted to cense it, whilst acting as a "locum" in a much higher parish. I was told that the noise was terrible to hear. Luckily nothing was broken and it was BEFORE the blessing of the bread and wine.

Eep!

Is that really 20th C? I had a vague idea it was recorded in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, but that's just one of those vague unsupported notions that often turn out to be wrong...

[parrot-knight.livejournal.com]

There's a plain release (which I have) and a collectors' edition with commentaries from Nickolas Grace et al - currently £15 in WH Smith. Is this the one Play have on offer too?

[helflaed.livejournal.com]

Sadly yes- because it just sounds so - right somehow. I seem to remember reading somewhere that it was first used in a book written during the 1950s, but I can't remember which book I read it in. Which is just typical of me.

There doesn't seem to be any evidence of the phrase during the period in question (which I usually take as being 798-1066 for Britain, although and Scandinavians are more than welcome to disagree on those dates). At least I've never found any. I did a quick Google, and this site came up http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/vikfury.shtml and whilst I'm wary of pretty much any historical info on the net, I've been on this lady's site before and she seems to know her stuff. She's also quite willing to say when she DOESN'T know something, which is a pretty reliable indicator that she's not just making stuff up (I asked her if she knew any decent books on early mediaeval Lincolnshire quite a while ago)

[tree_and_leaf]

Aw, shame. The Ladybird Book of British History lied to me!

[helflaed.livejournal.com]

EDIT 789 AD. I always get dates wrong...

[tree_and_leaf]

No, it's without the commentaries. I must go to Smiths, then - that's over half price compared to Play.

[parrot-knight.livejournal.com]

I hope that I wasn't hallucinating about the price tag - looking at the offers online I am doubting my memory.

[fpb.livejournal.com]

Want to argue with the cover, which says clearly that it is by Benedict XVI? If that is the name given on the published book, I think it is the name to use. If nothing else, imagine the confusion of a future student sent to find "Jesus von Nazareth by Joseph Ratzinger" in the shelves of a college library!

[liadnan]

Actually my Bloomsbury edition blatantly says "Joseph Ratzinger, Pope Benedict XVI", which is how he signed the foreword (and, for what it's worth, seems to be how OLIS and the BL cat are listing it). Frankly I think any student who couldn't manage that one deserves an automatic fail.

[fpb.livejournal.com]

...five centuries from now, when celebrity will probably have faded?

Anyway, I take your point about the heading.