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[tree_and_leaf]

It's going to be perfectly legal for my government to detain suspects for 42 days without trial.

Dear God. What is happening to the country?

This is not what a free country looks like.

Comments

[rivrea.livejournal.com]

Security is one thing; the state of law apparently another one. I really hope Germany won't be following that example.

[fpb.livejournal.com]

I really hope that Germany, which already has a major problem with low-level Islamic crime (honour murders, street thuggery, etc), will not be forced to learn too late after the blood of a few hundred or thousand infidels has been shed. Because terrorism is going to go on, and there is quite literally nothing you can do to change that. All you can do is fight it.

[rivrea.livejournal.com]

First of all, I think your implication that street-thuggery in Germany is somehow a specifically "Islamic" problem is polemical and offensive.

Secondly, I consider it also dubious, to put it mildly, that you seem to imply that I am willfully ignoring both honour crimes and possible terrorist threats in my country. Well, I am not. I just don't see how the former (i.e. honour murders) are of relevance with regard to the bill tree_and_leaf was talking about. It would neither help to prevent those nor is it even needed as the evidence is often quite sufficient in these cases to convict the guilty party within the existent boundaries of the law.

The same applied, by the way, to the one attempt of a terrorist attack on German soil so far. In my opinion, law enforcement should rather concentrate on using the instruments they already have; there is no need for populist politicians to cry for more security measures and law & order or for constant fear-mongering and hostility. For me, the latter is already a tiny victory for terrorism.

Oh, and I also regard this debate as over now. Consider me narrow-minded or adverse to freedom of speech or whatever you want, but I don't have the energy right now to get into a discussion with someone who will insist on dragging unrelated topics into the conversation. (See your comments on the hybrid embryo bill above. I am opposed to that bill, too, by the way, but I still think your line of argument was completely out of place here.)

Kthxbye.

[calapine.livejournal.com]

Marvellously put.

[tree_and_leaf]

Well said, and thank you for remaining sensible and good mannered (incidentally, I love the neo-fascist tinsel icon, and it's most appropriate)

[rivrea.livejournal.com]

Huzzah for Lois McMaster Bujold quotes!